Write to Editor@jfkfacts.org. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. What, on recollection, strikes me as possibly significant is that all three seemed to be exceedingly calm and relaxed, compared to the pandemonium which existed right outside their front door. Mr. DODD - Would you care to tell us any of the names of people whom you communicated with? We are operating under House Resolution 222, which mandates the Committee to conduct a full and complete investigation and study of the circumstances surrounding the assassination and death of President John F. Kennedy, including determining whether the existing laws of the United States concerning the protection of the President and the investigatory jurisdiction and capability of agencies and departments are adequate in their provisions and enforcement; and whether there was full disclosure of evidence and information among agencies and department of the United States Government and whether any evidence or information not in the possession of an agency of department would have been of assistance in investigating the assassination and why such information was not provided or collected by that agency or department, and to make recommendations to the House if the Select Committee deems it appropriate for the amendment of existing legislation or the enactment of new legislation. She said that no one by the name of Glaze was currently working for the newspaper, nor was that name among the files of past employees. Of all times to break down, my typewriter chose tonight to do it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, when did you leave the agency? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. SAWYER - Do you distinguish between an agent and a paid informant or do you use those terms interchangeably? The first contact I had with any reporter or any newspaper people or any media people was with Glad Day Press. He claims the charges were dropped, but he stated that he turned away several newspapers and magazines offering huge amounts of money for his personal account of the assassination. From June of 1960 to June of 1964, I was stationed at XXXXXXX Station, and my primary duty was finance and cash disbursements. It was about XXX I think, was our actual roster was. There is a very large spider guarding this web of secrecy. It was just a three-ring binder, and we would list down the advances by cryptonym and the amounts and then reconcile that with the daily disbursements. Years later, I found out that he moved to Austin, Texas, where he began working for the Austin American Statesman in 1979. This is more than just an investigative report. exactly for sure. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What was their response? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, with the Agency, yes, sir. Mr. CORNWELL - And would that -- at least in part --. The band started out in 1966 in Long Beach, California, and became known for its unique blend of country western and rock and roll. of the Select Committee on "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - enshrined on the lobby floor of the entrance to CIA headquarters. Please try your request again later. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And what did he tell you the cryptonym was? Give as a gift or purchase for a team or group. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. The significance of Glazes 1989 letter is that it provides a tantalizing piece of information which may indicate a covert side to the depository itself. Mr. WILCOTT - I am sorry? Mr. WILCOTT - Certainly, from May of 1957 to January of 1960, I was in the pre-fab building on the Potomac in finance. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would your Counsel identify himself for the recorder? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I believed it to be a little more than speculation, that the source at least of this kind of talk was, I believe, to be something more serious than speculation. Learn more. At the end of the hallway to his right was another door. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, you did. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And in what general capacity did you work with the CIA? that I had at my gate, and I did that with cryptonyms from time to time for something -- we would want to check back into their accounting for something. [5] Examination of city directories and phone books in the Dallas Public Library shows that the book depository and the publishing companies did not have the 411 Elm Street address until 1963. Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. Mr. DODD - And she was aware of it from 1964 up until 1968 -- Mr. SAWYER - Were there any other instances of harassment? Mr. WILCOTT - They were extremely vulgar and I don't think that I should give the full context of them. Wilcott also claimed that while at his station assignment in Japan, it was common knowledge that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't remember his name now offhand. Mr. DODD - I have just a couple of questions. If you have something -- Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you check your cash disbursement files? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, did I ask you to prepare a list of CIA Case Officers working at XXXXXXXXX Station in 1963? Mr. WILCOTT - Not publicly. Dorothy Ann Garner, former staff supervisor of Scott Foresman, thought the move occurred around 1960 or maybe a little later. I will be back in about 10 minutes. Mr. CORNWELL - Had you done anything or said anything engaged in any activity which became of concern to them? Mr. WILCOTT - Surely, sir. men asked the employees point blank if they were members of the C.I.A. He was still there when Garner retired in 1986. Mr. CORNWELL - Why did you leave the CIA? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Referring to that list, would you tell the Committee where you were stationed during your period with the CIA? CIA might handled any projects involving Oswald and for what purpose they might have used Oswald? Mr. WILCOTT - The details approximately two years. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. * JFK Facts editorJefferson Morley will personally answer your JFK questions. 49, No. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I think we had better go over that one more time. [15] Shelley testimony, Volume 6 of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits on page 327, hereafter to be cited as 6H327. She said that she had been in the personnel department since 1982, and she never knew anyone by that name. If you should need to contact me, you may do so in care of the Lubbock Avalanche Journal newspaper in Lubbock, Tx. XXXXXXXXXXXXX. Yet the mere existence of oversized boxes on the premises does not constitute proof of ongoing illegal activities. I discussed it with my friends and the people that I was associating with socially. Dedicated to the political vision and legacy of John and Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Malcolm X,and to the investigation of their murders. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Offficer at the CIA? If Shelleys claim to Glaze about his association with the CIA is true, it indicates that he was leading a double life as a schoolbook man as well as an intelligence operative. Mr. WILCOTT - No; I think that I looked through my advance book -- and I had a book where the advances on projects were run, and I leafed through them, and I must have at least leafed through them to see if what he said was true. When I interviewed him, he was living alone with his three cats, depending for his income on the charity of his father and disability checks. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Excuse me, please proceed very slowly. I have some information concerning the assassination of President John Kennedy that I wish to submit for your scrutiny. Mr. WILCOTT - I think it must have been two or three omths (sic) after the assassination. James Wilcott worked out of the Tokyo CIA station at the time of the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have that list with you? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have any personal knowledge that any records at CIA Headquarters were ever destroyed? This fear casting a shadow over the lives of former employees was also directed against journalists seeking to lift the veil of secrecy. That was the SR branch which had all of the projects having anything to do with the Soviet Union. Mr. WILCOTT - From the time I left I talked at various times, especially at parties and things like that, on social occasions, with people at headquarters and with people at my station, and we would converse about it and I used to say things like, "What do you think about Oswald being connected with the CIA? They told me that I had passed both of those. [6] They held a big meeting during which they warned everyone not to discuss the assassination with outsiders. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Earlier that year, he graduated from Crozier Technical School in Dallas. Mr. WILCOTT - It is based on the principle that only those persons who are involved in a project or involved in operation -- and even things that would not seem to be at all in any way secret -- only those people should know about, it and nobody else should know about it, and that was a "need-to-know" basis Mr. WILCOTT - I may have, sir, and I can't remember. And their security that there is in the Government didn't strike me as the kind of security that would keep me from getting attacked in some way, if someone wanted to do it. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I didn't. Larry Watanabi, XXXXXX Branch, Senior Case Officer; and XXXXXXXXXXX, deep commercial cover agent. He could not remember when this occurred, but it was before the assassination, but after extensive remodeling had been done on the third and fourth floors to add office suites for the publishing companies. Elzie Dean Glaze passed away on November 15, 2019. The incident involving two government agents asking new employees strange questions also occurred at this location. On November 22, 1963, there were sixty-nine people working in the building at 411 Elm Streetthirty-three for the TSBD and forty-six for the publishers. [3] Telephone interviews of Campbell March 19, 1994; Jones, March 19, 1994; Williams, April 4, 1994; Garner, August 14, 1999. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you recall whether or not you used that in the process of looking through the 30-day book you described? Mr. GOLDSMITH - How did you become employed with the CIA? He also sent a copy of the letter from Blakey as well as a 1978 article from the Dallas Morning News concerning the aforementioned Carolyn Arnold, who states she definitely saw Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom at 12:25 pm. She told a reporter that the FBI falsified her statement to read that she thought she caught a fleeting glimpse of Oswald on the first floor at 12:15.. Mr. WILCOTT - That was November of 1977. Shelleys claim that he was an intelligence officer would make sense if, as an ROTC lieutenant, he received intelligence training and perhaps even given some assignments in counterespionage. But their manner was very relaxed. Apparently, security measures to keep people from talking continued even after they went into retirement or found other occupations. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, is your testimony then that even though. Mr. SAWYER - What were they? During a follow up call, he told me that the two musicians were not in contact with former members of the band and knew nothing of their whereabouts nor of their current activities. Mr. PREYER - It was your conclusion from that talk that some of these people might have knowledge that he was a CIA agent rather than that they were speculating about it? Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. Mr. PREYER - And have you made that available to us? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. Mr. DODD - In 1957? In 1999, a friend and fellow researcher named Steve Gaal discovered among the listings of the JFK assassination section of the National Archives website a notice of a letter written by a Mr. Glaze to the HSCA. Towards the end of my tour of duty, I heard certain things about Oswald somehow being connected with the agency, and I didn't really believe this when I heard it, and I thought it was absurd. 66-67. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know. Having a double life would not have made Shelley unique among the people who worked at the book depository. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you bring that list with you today? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And have you just described one of those instances to us? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. JFK FILES - The Roscoe White Story: -Grassy Knoll Assassin Or Hoax? I then proceeded to write an article called The Glaze Letters for the May 1999 issue of Jerry Roses JFK assassination research journal called The Fourth Decade. Mr. DODD - Am I to believe by that that you were not aware at the time you made the disbursement that it was, in fact, an Oswald project? Since the CIA has the capability of engineering car crashes to look like accidents, Harriss name should be added to the list of mysterious deaths, along with Warren Commission witness Lee Bowers, who died when his car ran off the road and ran into a freeway abutment. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. He also claimed he had disbursed cash funds for Oswald or The Oswald Project. After his interview and testimony he was claims he was harassed by the federal government and put under surveillance. JAMES WILCOTT'S TESTIMONYJames B. Wilcott, a former CIA accountant, swore in a secret session of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that he was told by other CIA employees that Lee Harvey Oswald was paid by the CIA, and that money he himself had disbursed was for "Oswald or the Oswald project." John P. Horton, XXXXXXXXX Section; XXXXXXXXXXXXX Branch; and Chester Ito, XXXXXXXXX Branch; and Kan Takai, XXXXX Branch; and Jim Delaney, China Branch; and Bob Rentner, SR Branch -- and there is some question about that, the branch he was with. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I would get calls and they would say "We know all about you," shooting a machine gun into the Not long after Oswald departed from the scene, Shelley told Truly that Oswald was missing. Mr. WILCOTT - None initially. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know how to answer that. It was a guard-type function at the station, which I worked for overtime. Wilcott was a private pilot and landed his plane at noon, 11-23-63, Tokyo time. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And who is Jerry Fox? We should not jump to conclusions, since we do not know the entity that was actually paying him. (Its address, I later learned, was 11310 Gemini Lane.) (The witness conferred with his Counsel.). I believe it was more in a speculative realm. It was a total loss. [26] FBI report of Oswald at the police station, Warren Report, p. 619. Mr. CORNWELL - What year was that? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Then, by checking your records, which only went back thirty days, isn't it true that you wouldn't have gotten any information concerning Oswald anyway because Oswald had already been dead for one or two months? Copyright 2016-2022 by kennedysandking.com All Rights Reserved. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. Joe was unable to determine if the arson was assassination-related. My address is 2761 Atlantic Street, in Concord, and my occupation is electronic technician. that correct? This is an indication that the covert side of the schoolbook business had shifted to the Scott Foresman and Southwestern building, perhaps because the notoriety of the TSBD had hampered its ability to conduct smuggling operations and thus had to be discontinued. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, then, really, no purpose would have been served by checking those records? Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is that opinion? Mr. WILCOTT - The "need-to-know" principle was not all that we followed, and just about every one of the big projects that the agency was involved in, information leaked out, and we especially within the CIA knew about it, and someone would go to a party and have a little bit too much to drink and start saying things that they really shouldn't be saying to keep in mind what the "need-to-know" principle was. 2 AM, Nov. 23. When Joe entered the building, he took a recently installed passenger elevator to the fourth floor. Mr. SAWYER - He was in Utica also? One of the aforementioned employees (whose name I cannot recall) stated that when she went to work for Bill Shelly at the school book depository in the early 1970s she was interviewed for the job by some type of government agents who asked if she had been recruited by the F.B.I. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So that they would be routinely destroyed at the time of auditing? For example, Joes father had to clear visitors with Roy Truly, the building manager, even though they were top executives from the company headquarters in Chicago. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 . Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was that? Please publish modules in offcanvas position. James Wilcott's Testimony Intro Author: Jim Hargrove <hargrove@enteract.com> . Hurt initially doubted that such a large container could be moved into the building inconspicuously. RX-ZIM. (Whereupon, a recess was taken while the members of the Committee went to the floor of the House for a vote.). Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it never really came forward for you to go to the Warren Commission, did it? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. In the closing paragraphs of his 1977 letter, he wrote, "I must admit that my own fear of getting involved in the investigation has prevented me from writing you earlier. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Very much. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. The book depository was in a seven-story, red brick building located at 411 Elm Street. Mr. WILCOTT - I worked from the years, May, of 1957 to, April, of 1966. Mr. DODD - How long had you been married by the way? He followed environmental concerns and space exploration, and he enjoyed playing and watching sports. Mae Brussell showed copies of this document to the editors of Globe. Two weeks later, he wrote back: Received your letter of July 7, 1999. Mr. GOLDSMITH - With whom? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And a copy of the relevant House Resolutions? Obviously, my handwriting has long been broken down. Mr. PREYER - And dozens of others talked to you in a general, speculative manner? He was sickly looking, and, like his father, had lost weight. Mr. WILCOTT - I flipped through it. Mr. WILCOTT - I do. Mr. Shelly claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer -- I am sure it was a Case Officer -- came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money," either Ruffians driving by yelled derogatory things and threw objects at the house such as half-empty beer cans. Mr. WILCOTT - Most of the people were involved in the civil rights movement or in the antiwar movement in 1968. Last modified on Tuesday, 21 April 2020 03:08, The JFK Assassination Decoded: Two Reviews, Malcolm X's Family to File $100 Million Wrongful Death Lawsuit, Alleging Cover-up of His Murder, A Personal Encounter with the Warren Commission, JFK Medical Betrayal: Where The Evidence Lies by Russell Kent, The CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I did not intend to get into that area. His wife Mildred refused to talk about the assassination even with members of her own family. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report at Amazon.com. Mr. PREYER - Why did you resign from the CIA? Copies of my written testimony have disappeared from my personal files. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And are you saying then that you attempted to investigate this allegation? (Whereupon, a brief recess was taken.) That he continued to serve in a military, or semi-military, capacity at the same time he was working for a schoolbook company is indicated by his obituary, which said he was a veteran of World War II. Common to both the 1977 and 1989 letters are the strange men asking strange questions. I have entered other webs, but this one is different because the spider leaves the web and stalks its preysometimes for many years. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. SCHAAP - Do you mean, how many people who were in the CIA or how many people in the general population? Whether they are there now or not is hard to say. He was not questioned by the Warren Commission. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And finally, as I said at the beginning is it fair to say that you are here voluntarily today? Currently he has been studying the Zodiac Killer case and writes for a website called zodiackilleridentified.com. My testimony included numerous meetings with a man named Bill Shelly (I am no longer certain of the correct spelling of his last name.) Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why not? He is about to publish his book and, as you can understand, friendship and loyalty make me reluctant to discuss this matter with anyone else. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was my understanding that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the agency and was an agent, of the agency. Mr. CORNWELL - The cryptonym -- did you write it down at any point? I was scared until the Carter Administration. Mr. DODD - And this would have been, now, shortly after the assassination? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Not until after I left the agency. New York, 1989) p. 319. But you apparently indicated that you feel there was a direct connection between the Bay of Pigs operation and the assassination of the President. Mr. WILCOTT - It is a little bit east of Oakland, California. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY, and thereafter went home. Mr. CORNWELL - In the conversations you had with other CIA employees, the six or seven persons who purported to have good information about the use of Oswald as an agent, did any of those people say anything to you which suggested that the CIA had some role in the assassination of President Kennedy? I have no further questions. At the time of the assassination, Shelley was in his sixteenth year of employment at the TSBD. Wilcott's Full HSCA Testimony EXECUTIVE SESSION ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 House of Representatives, John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Assassinations, Do you solemnly swear that the evidence you are about to give before this subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. WILCOTT - Not specifically, only generally. Shelleys second claim was that he joined the CIA. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you remember anything about it? Bill Shelly claims he was arrested by the Dallas Police and formally charged with the assassination of President Kennedy. Mr. PREYER - And you did mention the case officer who came in and told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you check any of the earlier books? About a year or two after her death, while his father was away, someone broke into the house and set it on fire, creating a furious blaze. 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