Do you suppose my distance is bs? Probably because he plays a higher spin ball than most. It's good for some laughs. The 12 felt good but the 8 slid through the turf and cushioned the ball off the face. Vokeys are no doubt aspirational golf clubs, you are viewed as a knowledgeable and better golfer if you have these in the bag. As he becomes more efficient, the AMA has shorter approach shots which lead to closer proximity to the hole. Skill Triumphs Over All! Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Finally, course strategy is an improvement that can be made without having to change anything relating to the swing, technique, or other physical items. A good drive might only yield 250 and that isnt exciting. It is fun and I find that I usually am scoring better than I would say 90% of the guys I play with now, hitting on average longer than 90% and I realize that that is because shooting in the 90s means in golf you are better than most so above average which unless you played since a teenager and have no other life and want to play 4 to 5 days a week or more that is all you can ask for. Because winning money, titles, and shooting low scores doesnt involve all that much power hitting, especially with the irons. #:>PC"ljTTZ!@8[+D py"4]F: }X@`*0gIiF1|fv3cp{c?9EkD!j> get up and down 3 out of the 5 times you miss the green makes all the difference. Acting upon real data, not opinion, takes a giant step in that direction. It has to do with my ability. Trackman stats obviously don't mean that much either. Justin Thomas is one of the most exciting and popular golfers on the PGA TOUR. |K_ %E_{/{5* Bx2 @ xM6#N As club speed increases, those golfers tend to have lower handicaps. Book a Session for only R500 to get your Swing Analysis. 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 2 were over 320. Its important for me to have a 58 degree that works first and foremost in a bunker and then to chip with, because I use my 52 to chip with more often than not as I like to see the ball on the ground and rolling towards the hole so it has a chance of dropping in. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 95 X Hybrid, Irons: Titleist T100 (3-9) It's the short game. On the LPGA Tour the top pros hit their driver an average of 257.7 yards. Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, 2023 HSBC Women's World Championship (Mar 02 - 05), Byron Morgan best for your balls DH89 & the elusive DBCM 8802, TWO PUTTERS - ONE POST. Learn to play your game, but keep pushing yourself where sensible and on the range, and youll enjoy your round more and start playing much more consistent golf. [quote name='xmanhockey7' timestamp='1364353356' post='6703825'] The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees. The above statements were [i]only[/i] about length. Your link has been automatically embedded. Imagine throwing darts as the commentary teams say on television. You can use our TrackMan Locatortofind your local TrackMan certified and ask for a combine test. Since SM6 Vokeys have evolved subtly to be exactly what tour players want. Milled grooves - SM9 sees Titleist use a new saw to cut their grooves, instead of stamping them onto the face. On average pros drive the ball a total of 296.6 yards (yds) according to official PGA Shotlink data. Its unrealistic for most amateurs to break 100 on courses that share the aforementioned conditions, which is what a lot of the courses of today present. Jon Rahm - TrackMan Numbers - TrackMan Golf That's what I think. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Clubhead Speed - 125[/background][/size][/color] x]I]618nI9^R? The difference in a good amateur player and a touring professional is typically going to be short game, endurance, and that space between the ears. The questions you ask are great questions, but unfortunately that data is not readily available. WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. me too! 8.5* Tour Issue 07 Burner // PL Red 65x I think this is very interesting but misleading. Dont think they ever release that stuff. What Determines Driver Distance? [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364408786' post='6708081'] <>stream
This is something Im finding out at a 14 handicap. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364414933' post='6708795'] [/color] I'll pass. bT^GCUbIRT97U]"p:JJL)K^B"qPLCw4jw[ ))~u#-n MQ\~x/1c_kQ&mK Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Does Trackman update this data each year? But i attribute most of that to playing with a best friend who was a scratch golfer and showed me theres no need to take longer than 2 hours to play 18 holes. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. As far as a Trackman goes.I've used it once. Full details on the new TSR2 and TSR3 here! Because of the trends and correlations found in the TrackMan Combine data, it is possible to calculate the proximity to hole for nearly any handicap or approach distance with high confidence. When it comes to how far the pros hit a 3 wood and the other longer clubs in the bag including their hybrids the distance analysis gets a bit more complicated because clearly the pros are starting to use these clubs for a wider variety type of shots than they do for their driver. Spin Rate 2,645.8 X-Forged UT (#3- 21)- DG X700 [b]Tiger Woods[/b] In truth, the vast majority of golfers are playing from tees that are too long based on their club speed and skill level. I bet a lot of my tee shots find the rough though. People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. It's good for some laughs. [/quote] The average for those golfers was 117 mph. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Average Distance - 302 yards[/background][/size][/color] We share your golf passion. By Handicap, Age & Swingspeed, Should Your Driver Match Your Woods? [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] One suggestion could be to setup course length based on club speed and optimal driver efficiency. Unless of course it's short enough to hit the 3 wood or driver at the green. The first chart, with the club speed distribution, is that only for hcp 14-15 golfers? My 8 iron 190yards 5iron 252 yards Pw is 150yrds And loft 56 at 120yrds Loft 110 yrds How do i control the power to less distance? Launch Angle 11.28 It should make you a little. Do All Golf Balls Go the Same Distance? What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. Thomas, who was born and raised in Goshen, KY, played collegiate golf for the Alabama Crimson Tide. You will probably pick up that I gravitate towards the technical aspects of most things I do. Upload or insert images from URL. I don't measure my driver distance. More photos from the event here. For example, based on the average club speed of the AMA (93.4 mph) he should be able to hit his driver 255 yards (assuming certain ground conditions). Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X, 3-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (15 degrees @ 14) Congratulations to Justin Thomas, winning the CJ Cup! For more A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. I already use the SM8s and having seen the drop off in spin and different performance of my swing (I am less steep at impact these days) I will be changing wedges. To make such large scale improvements, we must first better understand the patientin order to diagnose the problems. [/quote] RJ, What was the actual value of swing speed group 115 mph+, since it shows 0%. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. This demonstrates that without changing technique and only changing strategy, the AMA can improve their performance. Items sent in without return postage will not be returned. More photos from the event here. [b]XHP 3-Deep (13)- 7.3X @ 43.5 I think it would be awesome to see if any of the numbers change due to the new developments. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. The way forward has to be more tighter averages with the driver maximising my best yardage from the swing speed I have. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] I'm not going to wear my body down trying to swing that club. Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. Thankfully also the SM9s dont seem to be ripping the cover off your ball, but looking at the Trackman numbers the backspin was high which you'd expect from the milled grooves. Tiger Woods Trackman numbers, I thought they were posted on here at one time from an event. GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Scotty Cameron SS Newport Beach w/ UST Frequency Filter and Rosemark Thorn 1.52 grip. Even when playing from the green tees at Torrey Pine South, the AMA is left with 165 yards for his approach shot. The strategy implemented to create 10 additional yards of carry could be from lack of knowledge regarding how far each club goes. Pasted as rich text. And when it comes to how far Tiger Woods, arguably the greatest iron player of all time, hits his irons? Instead, its mostly situational. I don't measure my driver distance either. PGA, Executive Director, Golf House Kentucky | Kentucky Golf Foundation. Tee and Approach Shots! The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. Course length, driver optimization, and course strategy are three key components to improving the performance of the AMA. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. Im sure most of them can squeeze out 10 extra yards on every club on this chart. I need to know few things before buying. By understanding simple averages and probabilities, a golfer can choose the best club and target for each shot. I am disabled now and dont play at all but i had a spinal fusion and two rods put in my back when i was a teenager. On average, all of the projected distances were 50-70 yards further without the slice. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. What is evident is you obviously don't play with good amateur players. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. I often feel articles such as this are skewed. Obviously not. Justins family and friends also know him as a kindhearted young man who goes out of his way to give back. The average green size at Torrey Pines South is 6,000 square feet. also his AoD on the stinger. Bob Vokey makes the best wedges for the best players in the world on behalf of Titleist. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. [/quote] The flight is reduced and the spin still remains. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. Close suggestions Search Search Search Search [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] Thanks for posting. There is a very obvious relationship between these two variables. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. They think that a drives are always over 320, which they are not not even close. Your ball speed is a little low which could indicate an off-center strike. Driver: Cobra Amp Cell Pro (8.5 degrees) First we have to determine the average length of the par 4s at your course from the different tees available. As you can see, 45% have a club speed between 91 and 100 mph., The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. I should be getting more distance on this club head speed right? After reading this article I did more research and discovered I should be playing nearly 1200 yards shorter, and doing so without shame. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life. Progressive Centre of Gravity - Maintaining the lower CG in the stronger lofts, while raising CG even further in the more lofted clubs. [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. It takes persistence and painstaking practice to regularly do drills designed to help improve your swing speed, not to mention the constant measuring to ensure you are in fact improving your swing speed. There isnt anybody who wouldnt like to be able to hit the ball further. Ive tried lots of different woods shafts and lengths but seem to reach a ceiling on distance. [/quote] You're delusional if you think any amateur on WRX that claims to have similar numbers to the longer pros thinks they are also as good as a tour pro. I have also never heard a beginner or poorer striker of the golf ball say I need to lower my ball flight which is what these are said to do. Justin Thomas' Distances - Tour Talk - GolfWRX Thanks! While these yardages will give you a general guide as to how far pros hit their wedges it is important to remember how particular all the pros are about these clubs especially. How Far Should I Hit My Hybrids? Dont Waste Your Money, Should Your Wedges Match Your Irons? Also, the dispersion for misses will be much wider for the AMA than the professional. Learn how your comment data is processed. 46 to 54 degree heads have narrower and deeper grooves as these are used more in fuller shots with greater swing/ball speed. Another added complication when it comes to comparing the distances that the pros hit their wedges is the differing lofts each of them often carries for seemingly the same club. The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). Knowing what club to hit based on distance and the safest place to aim based on dispersion tendencies will undoubtedly benefit the golfer. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. [/quote] [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. You can follow GolfWRX on Twitter @GolfWRX, Facebook and Instagram. The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. Brooks Koepka, winner of the US Open 2017 and 2018. Ping Glide 2.0 (54) DG S400 TI That tells Either way I don't care. it would be great to see this information on a broadcast on a couple of hole locations - combined with protracer. When it comes to looking at how far the pros hit their wedges the stock yardage they hit each club is again obviously only one of the multiple yardages they can hit the most versatile clubs in any players golf bag. Spin- 2645, 1948 low, 3745 high Im 65 years old. Master the Swing Plane and Handle Path for Increased Distance and Accuracy! 4 out of 1000 swings avg 117 mph? They must get club speed confused with ball speed, Cough Some people may exaggerate slightly , Hi My ball speed is with driver 195 km/h AND 160 km/h with a 6 iron Schaft = rgular or ???? Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: Artisan MT Grind (58) DG S400 Can i play a pro v1, or a harder ball I wont more distance KIND regards Rene Claeys Ren. Titleist fitting last summer at my home course. It's a pretty common way to play the game and it helps the scoring aspect of your game tremendously. Despite the slight changes SM9 still looks very much like a Vokey should and thats what I like about these heads. I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. When it comes to talking about distance in golf the easiest and most obvious place to start is of course always with the longest club in the golf bag the driver. TrackMan - Did you see Justin Thomas' TrackMan numbers? . The strike felt tight knit and the spin was better than my SM8 52 degree wedge. [/quote] Add That Little Extra Limited is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees (at no cost to you) by linking to Amazon.com. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. Optimizing a golfers distance with the driver (using their existing club speed) is an alternative way to effectively shortening a golf course. Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high Average club speed was 105-112, average ball speed was 139-152, and average rpm was between 4400-5100. Jordan Spieth whats in the bag accurate as of the Presidents Cup. Spin: 3811. [quote name='Hamish777' timestamp='1364356541' post='6704153'] [/quote] [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] You can see the fuller head at the top of the toe in the lob wedges when the clubs are aligned next to each other, but you can only slightly notice a change in shape at address. I must say to the trap draw crowd, Justin Thomas isn't hitting trap draws while winning tournaments on the PGA Tour. He doesn't have the luxury of I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Is it around 25-35% less than the AMA group? This is really intersting reading and I could not agree more with the finding your distance principal. I remember they had the analysis of his 8 iron that he hit at firestone from like 200+ out in a golf digest or something a couple years ago don't remember any of the numbers unfortunately tho, M2, maybe 714 AP2 4-p Have a look at his driver and 6 iron swing, incl. You could hear the thump and it was relentless in its consistency. Driver: Titleist TSi3 (10 degrees) If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. The title would be just as useful as well. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. They were consistently breaking 80 if not the mid 70s and almost every time hit their drives relatively straight and 275 to over 300 yards without a problem and doing it from the blue or blacks . ?,
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\)hEhH-hFtL+x Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. 915 FD For example while one pros gap wedge may be 50 another may choose 53 or even 54 for that same gap wedge club and with such a difference in lofts it becomes very difficult to compare with any meaning how far the pros hit the same-named wedge. Due to the large volume of autograph requests, fulfillment of requests is not guaranteed. A single figure golfer all of his adult life he lives in London and still enjoys playing whenever he can with friends and family. In my experiences wedges can be the least searched review on YouTube and some of the worst fitting processes. Unlock the POWER Muscles in Your Golf Swing! How Far Should You Hit a Driver? If length was a determing factor for professional status then we'd have the Wedge players tour and not the Long Drivers tour. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340-345. Paste as plain text instead, The TrackMan Combine data collected from over 10,000 golfers of all levels from around the world will be used to analyze his performance in hopes of better understanding where improvement(s) can be made. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 My average distance was 235-245. The plan is to include this type of information within TrackMan University in the future, but that is likely many months away at this point. My spin dropped 500 rpm on average and my flight favoured the left side. And this is where taking the TrackMan Combine and going through a Find Your Distance session is so valuable. Shafts: Project X 125 6.5 (46), Project X 120 6.0 (52-60), Putter: Scotty Cameron 009 I have completely lost my iron swing due to injury and need a swing coach as well as does your program cover this as well? That is why you will find some pros wedges measured up to 0.5 or even 0.25 when listed and it is also likely that some of the actual strengths of the wedge lofts they use may in reality be stronger (i.e. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees.The following table looks at the AMA versus what is optimal., *Carry, Landing Angle, and Total were normalized under 0 alti- tude, 75F, and 75% humidity for the AMA to create an apples to apples comparison. I have played golf for 22 years. any 7 iron data ? It is not to suggest that a golfer should simply play a shorter course to shoot better scores, but that a golfer should play a course length that is appropriate. How many times do you see TV reporting driving distance on an uphill into the wind hole? Carry Efficiency 2.51 Shafts: Nippon N.S. My experience suggests that this is true. hard to say for sure who was at fault in the beginning i am 7 handicap play with a friend who is 26-28 i play blue he plays white even when an extra player joins me on the blue he still plays white. Sometimes I will hit a 270 once or twice a round maybe and then two or three more at 240, but I will mix in a few bad ones at 190 with a hook or a slice and the rest will be at least 215 to 220. I know a 47 year old who played d1 golf hits nothing but trap draws hits 8 irons 190. Distance is only a big deal to those who don't have it And this is about DJs average big drive when he swings harder, at around 125 mph. But the guys with a great wedge and not great length still hack it on tour because they have what matters. The 22 years old Jon Rahm, is one of the new upcoming stars on the European and PGA Tour. Shaft:Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 7 X, Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4-5), TaylorMade P7MC (6-PW) [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] First of all, I would always encourage any golfer to get custom fitted for Titleist Vokey wedges because the loft/bounce/grind chart can be very confusing.