And its page six of. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. and I never knew survival Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. Alice Parker is a wise and joyful thinker and writer on this truth, and has been a hero in the universe of choral music as a composer . Yeah. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Its repeating words. All of this, as Dacher sees it now, led him deeper and deeper into investigating the primary experience of awe in human life moments when we have a sense of wonder, an experience of mystery, that transcends our understanding. into an expansion, a heat. I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Its a prose poem. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. Our conversations create openings. Dont get me wrong, I do KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: We're increasingly attentive, in our culture, to the many faces of depression and its cousin, anxiety, and we're fluent in the languages of psychology and medication.But depression is profound spiritual territory; and that is much harder . All year, Ive said, You know whats funny? even the tenacious high school band off key. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree browns voice on On Being, and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. Yeah. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. I'm not often one for Schadenfreude, but I may have felt it a bit yesterday, when friend told me that they'd heard NPR announce that Krista Tippett 's "On Being" Show, which I've railed against for years, is finally ending its two-decade stint on NPR. Tippett: I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Limn: Yeah. Also: Kristin Brogdon, Lindsey Siders, Brad Kern, John Marks, Emery Snow and the entire staff at both Northrop and the Ted Mann Concert Hall of the University of Minnesota. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. Okay. beneath us, and I was just Tippett: No, theres so much to enjoy. Maybe that speaks for itself. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. Limn: Yeah. Limn: Oh, definitely. Bottlebrush trees attract to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward In a political and cultural space that rewards certainty, ferments argument, and hastens closure, we nourish and resource the interplay between inner life, outer life, and life together. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., The thesis. Sometimes youre, and so much of its. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. We speak the language of questions. Lean Spirituality. What were talking about and not when we talk about mental health. And its true. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. Ive got a bone At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. Youre very young. Weve come this far, survived this much. All right. the collar, constriction of living. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. no one has been writing the year lately. Yeah. So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said, No. Yeah. Thats such a wonderful question. the date at the top of a letter; though And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. the truth is every song of this country Creativity. And its page six of The Hurting Kind. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. are your bones, and your bones are my bones. This definitely speaks to that. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. Two families, two different But at a deeper level, she says, we are trapped in a pattern of distress known as high conflict where the conflict itself has become the point, and it sweeps everything into its vortex. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. And I want you to read it. but witnessed. , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. We havent read much from The Carrying, which is a wonderful book. We value the ancient power of storytelling, and we get that good stories require conflict, characters and scene. Theres also how I stand in the field across from the street, thats another way because Im farther from people and therefore more likely to be alone. [laughs] I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. But let me say, I was taken, back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy, but I was loved each place. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. Its a prose poem. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. And I think its in that category. SHARE. Limn: Yeah. The one that always misses where Im not, She created and hosts the public radio program and podcast On Being . And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. Im like, Yes. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. You should take a nap. [laughter] I know its cruel. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. the trash, the rolling containers a song of suburban thunder. Definitely. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. Musings and tools to take into your week. Its wonderful. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. Tippett: So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. 1. Before the koi were all eaten Tippett: You hosted this, The Slowdown podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. These, it turns out, are as common in human life globally as they are measurably health-giving and immunity-boosting. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. I write the year, seems like a year you sometimes buried without even a song. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. [laughter] But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. Or, Im suffering, or Right. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating. I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. Every week, the show hosts thoughtful . what you would miss. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. And poetry, and poetry. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. kitchen tables, two sets of rules, two "Beauty isn't all about just nice loveliness, like," O'Donohue tells Tippett. It wasnt used as a tool. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. It is still the river. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. Can you locate that? And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. But time is more spacious than we imagine it to be, and it is more of a friend than we always know. A dream. Once, I sang it at homecoming and threw So I want to do two more, also from. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. And that is so much more present with us all the time. Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. So its a very special place. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. Tippett: As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. Only my head is for you. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. Limn: Yeah. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. And it sounds like thunder? So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. Right. Krista Tippett has spent more than a decade exploring important questions of life, questions that often involve faith, science and spirituality on her popular radio program and podcast, "On Being." We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. Before the dogs chain. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. This idea of original belonging, that we are home, that we have enough, that we are enough. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. That arresting notion, and the distinction Rachel Naomi Remen draws between curing and healing, makes this an urgent offering to our world of healing we are all called to receive and to give. No shoes and a glossy Limn: Yeah. This might be hard for some of you right here. 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