The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. and our While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. Mommy loves you. I tried to console them, Snow says. I don't think I could have done what they did. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. MORRISON: What do you do about this? MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. Someone found a car that didn't belong. This book just reinforces the obliviousness and callousness of " the system" towards victims and its sick preoccupation with criminals' rights. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? I was just gone. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Highly recommended. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. Something went wrong, please try again later. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Hed been shot five times. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. Shirley Turner had some startling news. She was deranged. Cpl. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. He would always be sitting on that chair, there, Kate says, pointing to a stool at the kitchen breakfast bar, on the phone.. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' But something kept me going, and. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? You can, just--there's nothing. You were done. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? show takes four couples who are having trouble. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. They know they deal with their grief differently and they honor that. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. Cpl. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. He said, `What can happen?'. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. us around. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. But how? For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. "He was beautiful," Kate . Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. "It was an overpowering feeling. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. MORRISON: But then things changed. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. The next day, she got in her car with her gun.. That one comes back a lot. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. She was here.' (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. kind of panic sets in, I guess. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. to reconsider getting some help with that. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. We don't--we don't gush very much. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. They would go to Pennsylvania to collect the body and belongings of their only child. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. I kind of. ', KATE: He's so loved. We decided that on the plane.. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' Specific in nature? David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. They have a network of supporters. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Well written from the heart and to the point. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. (Talking in group) This is not about money. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. No question. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. She was coming here to take care of me. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. did. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). Were intent on starting a family house, especially at the door, and the saddest true crime I. 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