Moving Beyond the Motions Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Throughout Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. INTRODUCTION: Although that interpretation of the text is a possibility, being consistent with the rest of Scripture, it is by no means certain. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." And how their lives could be changed, too. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. I am gonna pray for you. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? She has been doing so for years. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? MATTHEW 14:16 Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. You are an intelligent woman. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! read more, Scripture: I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Weve got to act on what the Bible says, not our own opinions. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Hey brother Saiko Woods! Thank you, Daisy. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. You are very kind and encouraging :0). If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . 4. Heres more info. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. I read myself into scripture, too! Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. And it cometh to pass, when all the kings who are beyond the Jordan, in the hill-country, and in the low-country, and in every haven of the great sea, over-against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, hear --. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? First,this is a sin. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. They are busy caring for their churches. Pentecostal. If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. Astonished Beyond Measure None. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. Let me tell you something, if your church recommended War Room, you can almost be certain that its leadership knew next to nothing about Shirer. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. The third, Chris Rosebrough, is Lutheran (AALC), and much of his theology is in line with Reformed theology. 2 JOHN Our ladies Bible study is just about to start a Priscilla Shirer study and I was doing some research on Priscilla and found your blog (whew! Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. 3. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. :0). Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). Have been vetting her this was very helpful! John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Did you feel any kind of fear? Grr! As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: The salvation of unreached people throughout history. If that is you, let me save you the time and effort of writing another comment. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? read more, Scripture: (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. Josh 9:1. Evangelical Dark Web. If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. She seems somewhat self righteous. 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