Look into marks4wd.com they make adapters for ls1 to r150 manual transmission, but it has to be a specific input shaft length. Love my RSG sliders. (in fact, probably less than other engines these engines routinely go 250000 miles) If not, they might still do it. Are the front wheel liners the same? So now Im going to sell it and get a 4 Runner. Dims 50-80% of Light, in Minimal Packaging. His shop, his family, his team everyone he works with was just genuinely cool and incredibly humble. Some exceptions apply, please see individual product pages for specific fitments. This makes them very special. Those 3rd Gen 4Runners are nasty but you cant quite compete with the 5th Gen 4Runner these days. The skill it takes to extract an entire ECU, all the wiring harnesses, and the engine from a Tundra, and then swap all that over to a body thats 20% smaller all while making it look factory on the inside is crazy impressive. Submodel Fitments: SR, SR5, TRD Sport, TRD Off-Road, Limited, TRD Pro. These crossover pipes are a direct bolt up to the factory 2:1 section with the 02 sensor mount. Drivetrain. I just cant see spending money on another 2.4 or rebuilding this 140lb motor if I can get 200 lbs for nearly the same money. I dont drive it on the street, it is my trailer [park] queen. In this 4 part video series, we are going to walk you through all the steps necessary to remove the stock 3.0 Liter 3VZ-E V6 engine out of your 2nd Gen 4runner and replace it with a 3.4 Liter. They have a removable rear top/shell similar to a Jeeps removable top. I still drive my 2002 limited 4-runner and love every minute of it. Great article with tons of information!! Toyota 4Runner Fitments: 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Toyota 4Runner with 4.0L V6 & 2.7L I4 engines. Its made in Japan and the V8 has been proven to go 1 million miles if properly cared for. Luxury items are more apt to fail with age. As I have done some research, I realized that it does not have rear locker, and traction system is a little different on those, and a little suck in the snow. My hope is later this year. Everything was removed from the 4Runner aside from the suspension, the body, the frame, and both axle housings. The 3.4 6 cyl that came in the 3rd Gen is truly the best motor for offroading in most peoples opinion due to it not having any major/common issues to worry about other than timing belts. Jason actually started a thread on T4R.org a while back but most of the images are broken, and if theres one thing you can count on with forums its broken images. Ruby Villalobos (@bitchinbetty4r) 2019 SR5 8. Phone Finder. If you find one of these, call us, we will more than likely buy it out from under you. YotaTech is a Toyota truck and SUV discussion forum, By logging into your account, you agree to our, Announcements, Tips & Tricks, Site Feedback, Test Section, & Contact Us, Tech Write-Ups (Staging Area & More Articles In The Wiki), Staging Area For Tech Article Submissions, General Vehicle Related Topics (Non Year Related), General Electrical & Lighting Related Topics, 99+ Tundra, 00+ Sequoia, 98+ Land Cruiser/LX470, Off Road Tech, Fab Shop, Solid Axle Swaps, Tool Time, & Engine Swaps, Trip Planning, Trail Reports, Land Usage, 4Wheeling 101, Camping Gear, Off-Road Gourmet, & More, Off Road Trip Planning, Expeditions, Trips, & Events, Buying & Selling Advice - Feeler/Gauging Interest, longtime contributor to Internet Brands Auto Group sites. If you can get a grill from a base model, they have no chrome on them; theyre easier to paint. It really depends on how well card for the truck was I guess. We finally got to catch up with Jason at his shop in Lakewood, CO, to see the T40R spoiler alert, it was so freaking rad! It feels like youre driving a tank due to the large tires and full time 4wd. Derrik Bustos (@djbustos) 2016 Limited 6. 3rd 4runner 4th 5th air back bar battery black box brake bumper car door engine exhaust find front fuel gen good installed iphone issue i'm kit led lift light lights limited miles noise oem oil part parts plate pro rack rear replace replaced roof running seat set shipping shocks side skid sr5 start steering stock suspension switch system time I love it, strong 4.0 L six, and great low end. While we did say the 22re engines are sluggish, they are unkillable if maintained properly. We enjoyed all of them but the 2018 is the best in my opinion. This kit provides you with the necessary parts to complete a 3.4L conversion. Like the previous 4th Gens 4.0, the current 4.0 does not have any major issues. Content on toyotanation.com is generated by its users. Its a Tank right off the lot. This for some is unthinkable while some of the newer 5th Gen folk may not even know what manual is. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I actually owned an 88 4runner with the 3.slow V6. They featured a removable top and sported a 2.4L I4 engine that produced less than 100 hp. While I was in Denver, I wanted to at least find the time to stop by RSG Offroad and say whats up. Sounds like a lot of fun destinations and off-road expeditions are in your future. For J&L OSC (Oil Separator Co.) Catch Can Install & Review Long Term Results After 5,000+ Mile Round-Trip From Pennsylvania To Utah! Or, you can head down to your local Off-Road performance shop and have something custom done. If youre looking for something with a lot of power and the potential to be fully decked out, buy yourself a 1st or 2nd Gen 4Runner and lift it, straight axle swap it, throw a roll cage on it, or v8 swap it. Great read, and great photography. Id love to do that, but then again, I also love working on my engine in the truck if i have to instead of pulling it to change something so small. Wow man this build is pretty sweet. Wiring shouldnt present too much of a problem. This thing can be turned into a beast. Its a beast. Nice job. Rock crawling is my prime objective, but some man made OHV parks get thrown in from time to time.. If you want to be sure that your head gasket is solid, FIRST, get your local dealer to run your VIN and see if the recall was done. There are GREAT benefits to KDSS and not too many downfalls. Love it so far. Can this be a feasible addition? You can do a swap without a kit, but the kits are priced very reasonably and save a lot of time. Powerful Bluetooth Tracker, Keys Finder and Item Locator for Keys, Bags, and More; Up to 400 ft Range. So I'm going to tell you. Now if youre in the market for something that is offroad capable while being brand new or fairly used, the 5th Gen is the one for you. There are LOTS of upgrades out there for the 3rd gen with many years of experience in the fabrication. 5th Gen 4Runner Mods - Step by Step Installs, How-To's & Accessories Not the case. Ryan Gibbons (@gibburnz) 2011 Trail Edition 3. Loved that truck though. Its commonly equipped with the 22re 4cyl and a 3.0 6cyl with the choice of a manual or automatic transmission. Youll be able to keep your current trans/t-case combo in the same location. I need to finish up my Tacoma and focus on my Land Cruisers. Which year do you think is the best? Not straight axel. I actually found RSG on this site a few years ago and bought a set of sliders from an old post. You would most likely have to swap transmissions as well. I dont think I need to go into any more details on this amazing build. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Thx for sharing. While the 4Runner isn't known for its stock power levels, these engine upgrades allow you to squeeze out a bit more horsepower and torque without breaking your bank. Jeff, The evolution of the 4Runner has been crazy and one wild ride to say the least. 20 years old and just under 200K, they build them GOOD in Japan! Id like to spend some time in Baja California, Mexico. So, if you use this as a 44 always be sure to make sure everything is in tip-top shape so you dont break down your rig or blow a head gasket., an article we wrote on the TRD Pro Vs. the TRD Off-Road, It comes fire-road ready out of the gates, our overview of the TRD Pro over the TRD Off-Road, Ellis Precision TRD Shift Knobs 4Runner/ FJ, So Its Been A Minute | Blogging Ashland. You might need to get creative and/or do some weldingYoull also have to modify the headlight and possibly turn signal wiring to fit the new bulbs. Some of the most common items you will find in the mod section are performance topics, armor andincreasing strength off-road, lighting and wiring, roof racks, sliders, along with a wide variety of other miscellaneous items. Possibly, bumpers are heavy and a pain in the butt to move around and ship to people so thats why we have avoided them in the past. There are tons of lighting brackets available as well which is perfect if you go trailing/offroading after dark or at dusk. I have a 91 that Id love to do something similar. Engine Transmission Drivetrain Avg. First released in August 1989 the 2nd Gen 4Runner came with the 4cyl engine again along with the 6cyl, with your choice of a manual or automatic transmission. Crossover pipe flanges are 3/8". Totaled Toyota Pickup Brought Back to Life. toyotanation.com is an independent Toyota enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. There are Straight-Axle swap kits, long-travel suspension kits, lift kits, skid plates, full undercarriage armor, roll cage kits, drawer systems and more. (Frame rotted out) My 3rd one is still kicking. 2016 Olathe Toyota Parts Center. 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With an SR5, you do not have to deal with KDSS. Id also avoid leather as the cloth seats wear very well with little maintenance. Crossover pipe has been high temp powder coated black to protect pipe from rust and insure a long life. The 5.7L V8 Engine Swap was from a 2013 Tundra. I replaced those brakes more times than I could count! As time went on people started to request more parts such as armor and RSG was reselling other armor companies parts such as RCI, Hefty, CBI, C4 Fabrication, and others. There is also not a ton of options when it comes to the interior if your seats become ripped or destroyed. With the newest generation 4Runner comes a whole new look yet again and a new chassis. We will be comparing the pros and cons of every 4Runner 1984-Present. And the mpgs at 7000 feet was stunning. Just pull the bell housing from a W59 or W56 and it will bolt up. I know alot of times with these swaps people use the whole drive train, ecu, dash, pedals, and all that, costume housing and lots of fab work. Love it. Thank u a lot. Possibly at some point in 2021. The 1st Gen 4Runner is a solid all-around choice for an old-school look and feel that provides unparalleled dependability on and Off-Road. 4Runner Generation Years and Differences, Best 4Runner Years & History But power to weight and no adapters to purchase are big benefits. I love the 96-98 style, cant stand the limited or the extended bumpers on the 99-02. Ive been trying to decide which 4Runner will be the best for what I need it for, and this article has helped me make that decision. Nice you're right around the corner. There are so many people who helped out to show each and every generation 4Runner in their true beauty. If you really want to step things up with your 5th Gen, you should consider an adjustable suspension system. Discount Prices. The build is sponsored by Summit so it's mostly summit stuff. When can we expect a T-Case and Crossmember Skid Plate? The 3rd Gen offers ARB and other lockers if your 3rd gen did not come with them from the factory. Am I missing something here or am I mistaken? So, a popular swap is the GM vortec 4.3 liter, which comes in 190HP and 200HP variations. ): Basically, the 3.4L is better than the 3.0L, and the swap is about as straightforward as engine swaps get. In fact, its pretty straightforward. When and where did your automotive life start? It comes fire-road ready out of the gates. Jason was busy, I was busy, and like most important things in life, it just got pushed to the side. This one is an fair sunroofed 92 4runner with manual trans sr5 4wd no stock elockers with 205k miles on it, i found price range between 2200 up to 6000? This 5th Gen 4Runner is not only running straight axles on 40 mud terrains but also features a blown Tundra V8. Also, look at salvage title but check the VIN. The 2nd Gen 4Runner no longer has a removable top but it now has the 4Runner-famous roll-down rear hatch window which we all personally love putting down outdoors, on side streets, and on the freeway (whoever had that idea should be crowned). The complete Tundra wiring harness, every ECU/ECM, and basically all electronics from the Tundra were swapped into the 4Runner. I'm not wasting the time for a 3.4 swap. Tile Pro (2022) 1-Pack. No big deal. First released in August of 1996 the 3rd Gen 4Runner yet again had a whole new design along with a new chassis including new driveline options. They not only share bell housing, but they share the exact same transmission housing and all internal parts except the solenoids and one clutch bell part. Hey guys, ill get an 92 4runner V6, but, first, i need to set this clear, its about price, why is there differences between price range? While were talking about the brands, you might be asking yourself whats the difference between RSG Offroad and RSG Metalworks? If you are a rock crawler this is the 4Runner youre looking for. Custom exhaust work so the new engine connects to the existing exhaust system, A 'donor' 3.4L V6, which can be pulled at a junkyard or sourced from any number of websites. We just got the 20220 TRD pro. If it fits then there's maybe a way. Its a 1990 ToyotapickupDLX with SAS leafs all around. Will RSG plan on Diff Skids, LCA Skids, or Other Products? They are for all intensive purposes the same vehicle with different options. Do you have experience with the 3.4L engine swap? If you have any questions for RSG or the T40R, you can find them all over Instagram. Thanks for the heads up. It took quite a while to create this overview on 4Runner and just the overall history of 4Runners in general. The big gotchas are the timing belt on the V8 and brake master cylinder assembly are expensive to replace. THEY ARE STOUT! I was looking at an LQ9 that was local to me at the time. When you are on a trail, the power comes in incredibly handy in almost every situation. Interesting, I didnt know that about the BMW ecu. My favorite mod besides the gobs of power honestly is the steering. This site is very resourcefull and is dedicated to 4-Runners & pickups: if your looking for good power, i reccomend the 7mgte v6 comes out of the earlier supras ToyotaNation Forum is a community dedicated to all Toyota models. Like the 1st Gen 4Runners, they lack exterior and interior support for the most part so yet again its either find one in good shape or make sure there are part shops and dismantler shops available in your area. I think it's actually a 2nd gen body on Tacoma frame or something like that. Not sure whats up with that but its flattering when I get offers like 5K for my 4runner which has 212,000 miles on it and runs amazing. I laugh thinking about that thread on T4R.org.. what did you do to your 5th Gen today oh just swapped a V8 and then supercharged it. Although, the KDSS is superior on many levels when it comes to on-road performance. If you can prove to yourself there was no frame/engine/fire damage, then you should be fine right? 1992 4 runner 22r-e,cam,lift,35 inch tires,arb rear. Brenan is the founder of Trail4R.com, Toyota guy through and through, verified nature lover, lightweight photographer, exploration enthusiast, and certified serial blogger. I would start at 99-2002 depending on your budget and the deals you come across. First, lets start with the classic 1st Gen 4Runner, first released in May of 1984, and spawned from the from Toyota Trekker (Pre 4Runner a collaboration between Toyota and Winnebago). Perfect offroad car, fully capable and equipped with the rear and front lockers. RSG (Remote Start Guys) started in 2012 in a 2 bay warehouse in Wheatridge and we specialized in remote starts, automotive repair, and installing suspension systems on Jeeps, Dodges, Fords, and some Toyotas. It causes oil to leak into cylinder 6 and cause a misfire. Ive owned 3 4th gen 4runners and have driven every generation. All this depends on how much you want to spend in time and money. Kyle, Thanks. The dual overhead camshaft design of the 3.4L lends itself to fuel efficiency and the opportunity for more power upgrades. Experience improved power and performance each time you hop on the accelerator with these 2010-2023 Toyota 4Runner Engine Parts & Upgrades! Engine. Just a good note to think about. We will say the factory Independent Front Steering/Suspension (IFS) handles Off-Road well in 2nd Gen 4Runner like it does in the 1st Gen 4Runner and the later generations as well. WORLDS FIRST LS 4th GEN 4RUNNER Part 1 - YouTube I have a 2010 4Runner and like it very much. if you watch the whole thing, it's an hour of your life you will never get back hey, with a sledge hammer, torch, and a welder you can do anything. Anyway, good luck. I can say the 4th gen V8 44 is the way to go. I also thought it might be cool to put round lights behind the square bezels and do a projector HID with angle eyes would look kind of angry not sure. You'll also likely have to deal with hood clearance issues as the 3.4L engine sits higher and hits the hood when its closed. Our maiden adventure to Yellowstone was excellent. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. More. But, may we say the factory Independent Front Steering/Suspension (IFS) handles off Road well in 1st Gen 4Runners and all other 4Runner Gens as well. 5VZ Swap- Toyota 3.4L 5VZ-FE into 4Runner or Pickup Truck Engine Swap 2 were V6 and now I have an 04 V8 44. I got a plate bumper kit, sliders, winch, ham and cb radios, arb twin compressor, and a lift kit. with a 4L80E into his 1st gen tacoma and turbos it. So, the same type of upgrades with more variety. 3.0L V6 3VZ-E to 3.4L V6 5VZ-FE Engine Swap (2nd Gen 4Runner) - Part 3 Like everything else these days, you will most likely have to change out more then just the motor as everything is all connected with the electronics. FYI Tweak'd Performance can do the harness. On the Toyota side of things, because it would be coming from a GX460 to the 4Runner, I think in theory it would be easier but still some work. Toyota 4Runner Generations: All Model Years | CarBuzz I still try to sell my self on this one, though. All Rights Reserved. About the only thing you can do to blow a head gasket, short of adding boost or increasing compression, is overheating your engine. Every generation of 4runner has offered a V6 engine. This 5VZ swap crossover exhaust pipe is designed to be used with the Toyota 3.4L 5VZ factory exhaust manifolds for 1995 -2001 with Federal Emissions, these are the cast manifolds, California emissions and 2002-2004 manifolds are non cast and have a differentflange shape*. Thanks a lot for taking time to create this accurate and informative article. Breana, Thank you! It was really cool to get to see both of the RSG shops and I was honestly incredibly impressed with what Jason has built. Just lookour overview of the TRD Pro over the TRD Off-Road and decide for yourself. 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M24 x 1.5 RH thread Fan Hub. 5 "4RUNNER POINTS" FOR EVERY $1 SPENT SPRING SALE LIGHT SWITCHES MUDFLAP DELETES SPRING SALE Sale Prinsu Roof Rack Full Non-Drill For 4Runner (2010-2023) from $918.00 342 reviews Sale Prinsu Ridgeline Roof Rack Handles from $93.92 26 reviews Sale CBI Covert Front Bumper / Baja Series For 4Runner (2014-2023) from $765.00 1 review Sale Thanks. Lately Ive been getting offers to buy it from strangers off the street on a reg basis . I owned a 1999 SR5 and put a few miles on it. This is the first generation of 4Runner where they introduced 4 doors. We'll have to link up once I get everything installed that I got on black friday. And with the direction things seem to be heading in the auto industry, Toyota will never put a V8 engine in the 4runner ever again. The 3rd Gen 4Runner has an optional supercharger for more power but without it, the 3.4 still has more power than the 22re and the 3.0.